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July 24[edit]

a problem[edit]

I am having difficulties with a person editing my posts on the link "Blessings of Same Sex Churches" Originally, I posted that the Bible does not endorse such things and provided scripture asserting such. That seems to have been deleted by someone calling themselves BroWCarey. I assumed perhaps I had put the issue in the wrong place, perhaps. The second area where I posted it is the title: "Theological differences between support and opposition" I figured that was the proper place to put my content. I wrote my comment, along with scripture supporting what I was saying. Well, he seems not to have liked that also. The title was for "Theological differences," yet, he censored mine and verged on accusing me of vandalism. I substantiated my assertions using scripture that is very clear, easy to read and easy to understand. The items I submitted were not a personal opinion. They were not another author's opinion. They were taken from the Word of God and what His views were on the issue. I do not believe I have done anything wrong and would appreciate this person stopped. Whomever has been editing this issue is not telling the entire truth on the matter and is misleading people. sincerely; sjluckins — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrs. PGL (talkcontribs) 00:54, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

For refernence: Blessing of same-sex unions in Christian churches (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Mrs. PGL. This is a content dispute. As such, it should be discussed on the article talk page, in this case Talk:Blessing of same-sex unions in Christian churches. You don't seem to have done that yet. But you should be aware that all Wikipedia articles must use the neutral point of view. People interpret the Christian scripture differently, and not all people concede that it is the "word of God". Wikipedia does not assume the truth of any religion. We can and do describe what various groups say, believe, and do, but we may not say that this or that position is correct according to scripture much less according to God. We can say that Person X asserts that this or that position is correct, and give their reasoning. But we must also give the views of others who hold different positions, if reliable sources cover them. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:30, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
As indicated above, all articles on Wikipedia MUST be neutral in tone. Your edits were not. You posted scripture as "proof" that one understanding/interpretation is the only correct one, stating as much, and implying that those who believe otherwise are in error. That is not neutral. That some Christians do not support same-sex marriage is already documented in this article and others. That's all that needs to be said in that regard here. There are other articles that go into detail on why, for example List of Christian denominational positions on homosexuality. It is inappropriate to insert your belief that those churches opposing same-sex marriage are right, even with scripture quotes you believe support that view, and that all others are wrong. Doing so negates the neutrality of the article. I was not the only one to revert your edits. Continuing to edit an article in such a manner that destroys its objectivity and neutral tone does indeed suggest vandalism. It appears vandalism was not your intention, and that is good. But you do need to understand that an encyclopedia, including an online one, must maintain complete objectivity, not making pronouncements on who is right or wrong. I hope this helps you understand why your edits were reverted. BroWCarey (talk) 02:57, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Gentlemen, I assume, forgive me if I'm in error. The comments - taken verbatim from the Bible - in a category asking for the "Theological differences" about a matter within the churches, and God's word is too extreme for you? Would it not just be easier to say that you don't want to know what Christ has taught on the matter and do not wish to expose it? Forgive me if I am doing this improperly, but I am very new to all of this and haven't quite figured things out as of yet. Is Wikipedia saying that God's word on Christian matters is too extreme? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎ Mrs. PGL (talkcontribs) 18:11, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Mrs. PGL, I, for one, am saying that there are those who accept the Christian bible as God's word, and those who do not. Of those who do, some accept one version and some another; some interpret fairly literally, and some otherwise. It is not Wikipedia's role to judge which of these, if any, is correct. It is not Wikipedia's role to pronounce what religious truth is. It is Wikipedia's role, in some cases to say: "The Baptists Take view A, while the Methodists Take view B, and the Catholics take view C..." etc, provided that there are reliable sources to confirm which views what groups hold. A statement asserting, in Wikipedia's voice, what God's view is, is never appropriate anywhere on Wikipedia. (Note also that different editions translate the passages you have cited differently.) The heading "Theological differences" on a section of that article is unfortunate, and should probably be changed. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 22:44, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

thank you for your response. I would say in an article presumably discussing Church thoughts on an issue, a Christian perspective would be appreciated. I would certainly be interested in which translation disagrees with the translation I cited. Next, so if I were to say "a Baptist" view it would be more appropriate when the comments endorsing the marriage have no such title or category, they just endorse the action, so would you not then say they were improper? They claim to be of a church - as the article indicates, yet not defining which church - last I read, anyway. I believe you can now understand why I feel this is more about censoring, than truth. Please correct me if I am wrong. For instance, when discussing church positions, normally scripture is used. In this case, it is totally avoided, "These disagreements are primarily centered on the interpretation of various scripture passages related to homosexuality," What scripture are they referring to? thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrs. PGL (talkcontribs) 18:59, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Mrs. PGL, You will see that each of the existing statements in the article section is cited to a specific source, naming the particular individual or group that has voiced that position. Your edit did not do this in any way. Yu included such statements as "The Bible is the basis for Christian belief." and "The Bible is the authority for Christians." without qualification or source, as if these were statements of fact, rather than of religious opinion. The article's Lead Section does currently say: "These disagreements are primarily centered on the interpretation of various scripture passages related to homosexuality, and in some churches on varying understandings of homosexuality..." and perhaps some section of the article should list some of those passages and the views of them taken by various individuals or groups. Provided always that a reliable source or sources for who has considered what passage to be significant to this issue, and what views they have stated, can be properly cited. Such an addition could be proposed at Talk:Blessing of same-sex unions in Christian churches which is the proper place to discuss what should and should not go into the article. Please continue this there, if at all.
Please in future sign your posts with four tildes, like this ~~~~ The software will replace them with your user name and a timestamp. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:14, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

How to create my organisation's page?[edit]


I wish to create a non-promotional page for my company. What would be the ideal flow? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmyWest (talkcontribs) 05:25, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

AmyWest, you can sign your comments automatically using four tildes ~~~~. You should not write the article yourself; instead post a request at Wikipedia:Requested articles for the article to be created. See Wikipedia:Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:55, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge[edit]

Ref number 19 is dead - but it does work if you re type. But should the dates of birth for Michael Middleton and wife be on the page at all? 2001:8003:4E8F:6D00:C90B:879C:59E:AC54 (talk) 10:59, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

 Done I've tagged ref #19 as a {{dead link}}, and I don't see why their dates of birth shouldn't be on the page - but if you feel that they shouldn't, you should raise this at the article's talk page. Thanks for pointing this out!  Seagull123  Φ  11:59, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

AfD question[edit]

How does one close an AfD? The consensus for the following is clearly "keep". The corresponding article should be getting considerable traffic, since the subject is currently receiving international press coverage, (and the tag on top of page is distracting and ugly).

-- 2606:A000:4C0C:E200:1C:247F:9E77:82FF (talk) 15:52, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Please see WP:CLOSEAFD. Eagleash (talk) 16:00, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. I have read that, and it seems that being neither an admin nor "nominator", closing this AfD is beyond the scope of this anonymous IP. — 2606:A000:4C0C:E200:1C:247F:9E77:82FF (talk) 16:23, 24 July 2017 (UTC) --P.s: I did find: " non-admins are encouraged to recommend a "speedy keep" in the body of the discussion", which I will do soon-ish (time permitting).
Other than the "distracting and ugly" tag, there's really no rush. Anyhow, from the looks of it, it will be closed early. RivertorchFIREWATER 17:05, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Unfortunately, per WP:NAC, only registered accounts may close formal discussions. TimothyJosephWood 21:02, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
I would have said "Fortunately" :) --S Philbrick(Talk) 21:18, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Empathy TimothyJosephWood 21:24, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
  • While a keep outcome looks likely at the moment, there have been some strongly argued views for deletion, so a WP:SNOW close does not seem proper to me. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 22:33, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
    • Heh, oops. Closed. ansh666 23:01, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Stupid question[edit]

This is of exactly zero importance, but how to I make the color of the userbox collapsed table on my user page match everything else? (I learned to computer before CSS was really a thing, and basically everything was written in HTML. I am a literal dinosaur.) TimothyJosephWood 21:05, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Hey Timohty If I understand what you're looking for, you can replace:




Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:08, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Or is [1] what you want? It makes the box similar to the others. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:12, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Yup PH. That's what I was going for. And in about ten previews I managed to jack with the formatting to make it do just about everything but exactly that. Much appreciated. TimothyJosephWood 01:44, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Took me about ten previews. I thought the color should be specified earlier. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:19, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

July 25[edit]


I just wanted to say burly is a word, though it's not in your dictionary. Look it up in a real dictionary. It means sturdy, corpulent.02:38, 25 July 2017 (UTC)02:38, 25 July 2017 (UTC)~~

Hello IP You used too many tildes, which is why your signature didn't work. Four is the magic number.
It isn't clear what you mean by "your dictionary". Wikipedia doesn't have a dictionary. Maybe you mean Wiktionary, which is a separate project, but burly definitely has an entry there (which is unsurprising because it is a real dictionary). RivertorchFIREWATER 06:01, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
It is possible that the IP is referring to the fact that WikiP does not have an article titled Burly. That is not surprising since, as Rivertorch points out, this project is not a dictionary. MarnetteD|Talk 13:12, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Oh, good point. I never thought of that. RivertorchFIREWATER 14:21, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

I do not have permission to create any pages.[edit]

When I try to create a page of any title, I see the following image. I have not vandalized or been restricted to my knowledge... Galactikapedia 02:55, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

UPDATE: The problem has been resolved. Nonetheless, does anyone have any idea what happened? Galactikapedia 02:59, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Galactikapedia message.png

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Galactikapedia (talkcontribs) 02:59, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Galactikapedia, It didn't say that you have been restricted, but that the proposed article title had been. This is often done when an article has been repeat4edly recreated against consensus, and for other reasons. it is known as "salting". DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:04, 25 July 2017 (UTC) @Galactikapedia: DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:04, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
It was a problem with MediaWiki:Titleblacklist, which prevents people from creating pages with titles that meet certain patterns. At 2:41, an administrator meant to remove a line entirely, but he accidentally left a metacharacter there, and the way the blacklist works, this metacharacter qualifies as an indefinite number of actual characters. If you have nothing but this character, literally everything is blocked, so until the mistake was resolved, it was absolutely impossible for anyone (except admins, to whom the blacklist doesn't apply) to create any page whatsoever. Nyttend (talk) 03:20, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Galactikapedia, it seems that you have been creating lots of pages, all redirects. over 500 of them in the last day or so. Would you care to explain what you are doing? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:08, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
@DESiegel: Just looking at the last 10 or so redirects, they look fine to me - net (albeit small) positives. If you have noticed a pattern of policy-violating redirects, surely a discussion/warning is needed, but otherwise, I do not see that Galactikapedia really has to justify why they chose to work in this area. My $0.02 would be that they want to lower the number in the {{User article count ranking}} template on their userpage, but I do not see that as a problem if the end result is improving the encyclopedia. TigraanClick here to contact me 11:29, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
I didn't say that s/he had to justify it, Tigraan, I merely asked. However WP:MASSCREATION does suggest that such rapid semi-automated page creations need advanced approval. If you will look at User talk:DESiegel#Follow-up to message on help desk you will see an argument being made that such redirects are in fact unhelpful, and another that circular redirects are disfavored. Galactikapedia, I would ask that you discuss this a bit further before continuing with this pattern of editing. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 12:22, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

aditing of an existing page[edit]

I edited twice the page antidepressant discontinutaion syndrome but the creator of the page deleted both times my editing. The last time I also received an email from wikipedia saying that I uploaded material covered by copyright (while the paper I quoted are open source) and I used primary sources, however this is not the case since I used secondary sources and I modified the source before uploading it. In particular, apparently the creator of the page does not want to have the paragraph "diagnosis" which, according to me, is important since it represents a step forward the knowledge of the syndrome and is an issue which has been described in the scientific literature via a review article. Please let me know what to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Papilio2017 (talkcontribs) 03:34, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Papilio2017 "Open source" does not mean "public domain". Open source papers are generally covered by copyright, and may be under a license not compatible with Wikipedia's. Besides, even public domain text must be properly attributed and cited.
This entire matter should be discussed on Talk:Antidepressant discontinuation syndrome, which does not seem to have been done, yet. Please do not reintroduce the text deleted as a copyright violation without discussing it there and with Hut 8.5, the deleting admin. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 07:52, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

How can I contribute to Wikipedia with small contributions?[edit]

I am looking for a routine to apply daily to contribute to Wikipedia. Something small, easy and simple. Translating an entire article, for instance is too much for me. Similarly creating an article from scratch. What are small things I can do daily to help Wikipedia? --orschiro (talk) 10:03, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello Orschiro, during my early days here, I found the pages Wikipedia:Basic copyediting and Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia quite helpful in understanding how to contribute to Wikipedia in bits and pieces. You could try them out too. Thanks. Lourdes 10:34, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Helpful, thanks! :-)orschiro (talk) 11:44, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Look for one of the maintenance categories. They list articles that have flaws and errors in them. Just pick an article and see if you can fix it. - X201 (talk) 11:33, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
This one? (talk) 11:44, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Hey, what about Wikipedia:WikiProject Germany? (Sorry, I was looking at your user page...) Alex ShihTalk 12:00, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, Alex! I will get in touch with them. :-) --orschiro (talk) 12:46, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Eldridge Cleaver[edit]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by S.t.setorp (talkcontribs) 10:23, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

This appears to relate to Eldridge Cleaver. The OP added content which was unsourced and contained 'stray' ref tags. Edit has since been reverted. Eagleash (talk) 10:38, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
User:S.t.setorp, since you appear to be fairly new, you may want to consider taking our interactive tutorial at The Wikipedia Adventure, which will help explain a great deal about the way things on Wikipedia generally work, and will help you better contribute in the future. TimothyJosephWood 14:26, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Submit article for review[edit]

I have completed drafting an article and want to submit it for review. I don't know how to do that. Please advise on next step. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkfell (talkcontribs) 18:32, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

add {{subst:submit}} to the top. Pppery 18:40, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Appeal to correct erroneous information in the entry for the movie PET[edit]

Dear Editor:

I am writing to seek a correction on a claim in the entry for the 2016 movie Pet (film).

Issue #1: The Wikipedia page currently states: Pet “is the lowest-growing theatrical release of 2016 with a total gross of $70 and is the second lowest grossing film ever released.” The source linked to is Box Office Mojo, which is the leading online box office reporting service. However, this link does not support the claims made in the entry. In fact, a search of 2016 films on Box Office Mojo, shows that Pet had a total gross of $8,004 AND was ranked 663 out of 736 in terms of gross box office earnings of films released in that year alone.


Issue #2: The entry goes on to state: “However, the $70 figure has been disputed by the director, Carless Torrens.” As noted above, both the $70 figure and the “second lowest grossing film ever released” claim are both clearly and demonstrably inaccurate. To simply repeat the errors and note the director’s objections is misleading. Additionally, this sentence misspells the director’s first name. We appreciate your prompt attention to this issue. Please do not hesitate to reach out to us if you have additional questions or we can be of any further assistance in clarifying this matter.

Sincerely, Carles Torrens— Preceding unsigned comment added by Carles Torrens (talkcontribs) 22:57, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Carles Torrens, you've already made this request at the article's talk page. The template you've used, {{request edit}} means that it is put in a special category, which other editors can look at and make the edit for you, so you don't need to ask again here. This is why I've changed the template above. As you've used the {{request edit}} template, which is for editors with COIs, I've left a message on your talk page about conflicts of interest.  Seagull123  Φ  23:30, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

July 26[edit]

Oleg Bezuglov - <meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow"/> in the code[edit]


I am trying to figure out the reason for the <meta name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow"/> in the page source code of Oleg Bezuglov. The article was patrolled and reviewed, but still has this meta parameter. The article was nominated for deletion shortly after it was created, and I assume that it might have been a reason for the meta tag to appear in the first place. Subsequently, the AfD was resolved with keep. I would appreciate your input! --Fiddler11 04:19, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

noindex is gone now. See [2]. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:18, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Alignment of quote box[edit]

I've been trying to improve the layout of Weedville, Arizona. It has a block quote using template quote box. If I use the "center" alignment, it seems to center it within the width of the page, even though there is an infobox on the right. With this alignment, the quote box doesn't look good abutting the infobox. If I use the "left" alignment (as it is presently), the box is moved to the left as expected and text is allowed to flow into the space between the quote box and the infobox. This can be OK with a wide enough screen, but if I reduce the width of the window, it get to a point were it doesn't look good at all, with lines with one or two words. At one width, the letter "A" is all that is between the boxes. Is there a better alignment method? MB 04:52, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

The block quote box was highly inappropriate, since it wasn't even about the town; so I simply removed the box and left the text as normal text (but gave the chapter and verse). --Orange Mike | Talk 05:31, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Lupton family[edit]

I have just added a ref which should be number 96 - but it is all wrong. I do not know why. Please fix. Thank you. (talk) 05:07, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

@ The opening tag was missing the < and once again, the date goes in |date='XXXX' not within the publisher parameter. Eagleash (talk) 05:36, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Request to edit the title of the page.[edit]

Hello, I have a request to edit the title of one of your page. The page is Adam's Bridge. I request to change the title of this page from "Adam's Bridge" to "Rama Setu" as the bridge made by Lord Rama and the real name of the bridge(setu) is "Rama Setu" not "Adam's Bridge". Waiting for yours positive response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dattanidhyey (talkcontribs) 10:22, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia's policy is to name an article with what its subject is usually called in English-language sources, rather than with its "real name" - see, for example, Tony Blair. Maproom (talk) 10:29, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) This request has already been made and declined, in several responses, at the article talk page. Please do not post the same question in multiple locations. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 10:32, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

What authorized neutral athletes (ANA) will use at 2017 World Championships in Athletics?[edit]

We know Independent Olympians at Olympics use Olympic flag and Olympic Anthem, what authorized neutral athletes (ANA) will use at 2017 World Championships in Athletics?

  • Used flag
    • IAAF flag
    • White flag
    • Olympic flag
  • Use Anthem for ceremony for if get gold medal
    • Olympic Anthem
    • IAAF Anthem

What use? Why? Simon 1996 (talk) 10:24, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

@Simon 1996: Simon, please stop posting this question in multiple locations. You have posted here, at the article talk page and at mine and another editor's talk pages. Also you have removed your previous thread from this page and copied the responses to the article talk page. You should not have done this as it involved alterations to other editors' responses. In answer to what is perceived to be your question (I.e. what flags and anthems will neutral athletes use), we at the help desk do not know. It is the desk for help in how to edit Wikipedia. If you do not get the information via the article TP, would suggest you follow the advice previously given and ask at the reference desk (click the link) where specialists are available to help you. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 10:41, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
OK, but why IAAF don't talk us for those authorized neutral athletes use things at 2017 World Championships in Athletics? Simon 1996 (talk) 10:45, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Again, we don't know...this has been answered at the article talk page...There has been no announcement as yet apparently. It will no doubt become clear once the event is underway. The IAAF will tell us when they're ready! Eagleash (talk) 10:50, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

This Wiki entry looks A LOT like an advertisement.[edit]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:25, 26 July 2017‎

  • That's because: it is. Copyvio places it at a whopping 87% "Gyrotonic" Copyvo Nominating it for an AfD now. Thanks for catching this. Maineartists (talk) 11:36, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Maineartists, I've speedied it and closed the AfD. There are no sufficiently neutral versions to restore. The previous AfD was a withdrawal, not an !voted "Keep", and in any case the deleted version, with massive G12 isn't appropriate for an AFD, thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:10, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

2nd AfD[edit]

New to this one: "Gyrotonic". Where do I place 2nd Afds? Trying to following through with the different steps. Appreciate any helps. Thanks in advance. Maineartists (talk) 11:59, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Maineartists See above. Twinkle is the easiest way to set up AFDs (XFD on menu) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:12, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks so much. I need to make the light speed jump to Twinkle, I know. Thanks for giving me the push I need to learn the tool! and thanks especially for the knowledge & expertise above. Much appreciated. Maineartists (talk) 12:34, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

There is a typo in the value of the Geobox field composed as whs_number_label[edit]

The typo renders as "Number ubnder which"

see the typo e.g. on this page:

Thx for fixing this.

M. (talk) 13:01, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Fixed by editing Template:Geobox. The behind-the-scenes job queue will take a while to correct all the affected articles, though. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:24, 26 July 2017 (UTC) and John of Reading may win the prize for the oldest typo. that one was there for 10 years. Frietjes (talk) 13:47, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Can the categories displayed at the bottom of an article differ from the categories that include the article?[edit]

I've recently been categorizing articles on biological taxa by their Linnean rank and geologic age, so, for example if you wanted to know what families of living things were alive right before or after the extinction that killed the dinosaurs, you could respectively visit Category:Maastrichtian taxonomic families or Category:Danian taxonomic families.

The problem is that while most taxa were reasonably short-lived, some lasted a very long time. For instance the species Triops cancriformis first evolved during the Norian age of the Late Triassic and persists to this very day, passing through roughly 40(!) geological ages that it would need to be categorized under (most species go extinct within one or two ages). I've just been tolerating the need to heavily categorize the odd exceptionally long-lived taxon, but other users have reasonably objected to the large numbers of categories those articles required.

So, for our buddy Triops is there any way I could, say, include it in those 40 categories but have the category section at the bottom of the page only display links to "Category:Norian species first appearances, Category:Rhaetian species, Category:Jurassic species, Category:Cretaceous species, and Category:Cenozoic species"? Abyssal (talk) 14:46, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Abyssal. WP:HIDDENCAT certainly exist, but whether it is appropriate to use them for this purpose or not, I'm not sure. I'm a little concerned that this work is original research, as you are implicitly adding information to the articles which is not directly in the sources. What do others think? --ColinFine (talk) 15:44, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Hidden cats are kind of like what I mean, but that would hide it across very article that uses the category. I only want to hide categories situationally on articles about long-lived taxa that would become cluttered by the large numbers of geological age categories they require. I don't understand the comment about original research. All of my categorization was based on information already in the articles. Abyssal (talk) 16:04, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Those concerns have been brought up by a few editors at the articles in addition to the category overkill. The general issue is that we already often have a category for "group arising in X age", but listing all the categories when it was extant whether hidden or not seems to be setting up cumbersome additions to categories. It has been suggested that articles stick to just when a group arose and when it became extinct for two categories at most. The kind of things being proposed by Abyssal probably needs some higher level consensus than just individual talk pages, but I'm also not sure where such a discussion would be most appropriate in terms of Wikiprojects, etc. Kingofaces43 (talk) 17:31, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Categorization is a way to add structured data to Wikipedia, but it is fairly crude. You may find it more useful to add information to Wikidata instead. Wikidata is designed for this purpose, and allows for sophisticated data manipulation. -Arch dude (talk) 20:45, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia page for our organization - non-profit, for academic institutions[edit]


Our group, Technology Transfer Partners, recently had our page deleted ( I understand you do not want to promote businesses or other blatantly for-profit pages, but our group consists solely of universities, colleges, and K-12 institutions from around the world sharing information about the use of technology. Membership and conferences are free of charge.

Yes, we share the use of one company's products - Micro Focus - BUT we are not paid by them. They sponsor our meetings but do not control their content. Our group is independent. ( And although we do like their technologies, we are quite vocal about flaws, and actually have input to the engineers to express these opinions. In addition, we discuss numerous technologies and software solutions being used by our members, not just those made by Micro Focus. Our lists are full of questions asked and answered by our members, so it is a great source of help on a variety of topics.

We would really appreciate being visible to other schools to which we could be of help. We will have collaborators on editing the page, but first our page has to stay up!

Thank you for your consideration. Please feel free to contact me with any questions.

Kborecky (talk) 15:19, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Kborecky. I'm afraid that, like many people, you misunderstand the purpose of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not for you (or anyone) to promote you - it makes no difference whether you are commercial or non-profit: Wikipedia is not for putting information about you out to the world, it is for summarising information which people who have no connection with you have already chosen to publish. If there is material about you, written and published (in reliable organs) by people who have no connection with you, then there can be an article about you, summarising what those independent sources say. (If there is little or no such material, then no article will be accepted, however it is written). It will not be your article, and you will have no control over the contents or presentation: your involvement will be limited to suggesting improvements, for others to decide upon. Please read WP:ORG and Your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 15:49, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Correcting a surname[edit]

Inadvertently, I misspelt my surname IT is chhabra How can i correct it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vikas chhabrs (talkcontribs) 17:21, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello @Vikas chhabrs:, to change the name of your registered account, please see Wikipedia:Changing_username and Wikipedia:Changing_username/Simple for instructions. As you have only made a few edits so far, you could also simply "abandon" your old account without the need for formalities: create a completely new account with the correct spelling, and place a short notice on your old userpage pointing to the new userpage. GermanJoe (talk) 17:52, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

The google search summary[edit]

I know google search pulls info from wikipedia for the panel on the right of the screen, taking a selection of google images and a summary of the lede from wikipedia (where it is the highest ranking site) BUT if I google for example 'Jeff Forshaw' it comes up with his images and name, and then under it it says 'British author', does anyone know where it is pulling that information from? whilst he has co-authored books, I never referred to him on his page as an author, and really that summary should say 'British scientist' or at least 'British scientist and author'. It's a minor technical detail but I am curious where it comes from. Do wikipedia pages get assigned a summary category when they are reviewed shortly after the page is created? Is there a way to change that? Or is that summary coming from some other site entirely? Thanks in advance. Mramoeba (talk) 18:08, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hey Mramoeba. Google's summary box may often draw from Wikipedia, but it may also draw from many other sources, or even from outdated or vandalized versions of Wikipedia or Wikipedia mirrors. At the end of the day, we have little or no control over it, and the only way to fix glaring errors is to contact Google. TimothyJosephWood 18:18, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Google takes its information from various sources, not just from Wikipedia. There is a 'feedback' link at the bottom of Google's information panel. Eagleash (talk) 18:20, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, I guessed that it probably pulls from the top ranked site(s) on its algorithm, it just seems odd that it uses Wiki for the lions share of the summary box but not for the heading. My best guess would be possibly pulling from Amazon where his co-authored books are sold. I didn't spot the feedback link, thanks for pointing it out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mramoeba (talkcontribs) 18:26, 26 July 2017 (UTC)


Can you find the 2018 MLB All-Star game logo for me please can you upload it for me please. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:1AF:C77F:2734:635C (talk) 21:27, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Answered a couple of sections or so below. Lourdes 02:56, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

What is SORTKEY/Default sort?[edit]

I create quite a few new articles, especially on opera singers, and I find that after they have gone "live" another editor often comes along and adds DEFAULTSORT at the top of the category section which is nothing but the singer's name with the last name first, for example on an article I created Anita Välkki another editor added "DEFAULTSORT:Valkki, Anita" and an article I created yesterday Maria Flécheux today an editor added "DEFAULTSORT:Flécheux, Maria" with an edit summary "defaultsort per WP:SORTKEY".I have not the faintest idea what this means so clicked on WP:SORTKEY and am still none the wiser, it is just a lot of gobbledeegook to me. What is this and why is it necessary? I don't really like to create articles with mistakes for others to fix, so when are you supposed to add this "DEFAULTSORT"?Smeat75 (talk) 22:44, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

@Smeat75: {{DEFAULTSORT:Flécheux, Maria}} means that Maria Flécheux is sorted by surname in categories, e.g. under "F" in Category:French operatic sopranos. Without the code she would sort under "M". PrimeHunter (talk) 23:05, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you!Smeat75 (talk) 23:07, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

July 27[edit]

Net neutrality banner[edit]

Hi all,

Could we pleace put a net neutrality banner for all readers to see, similar to the fundraising banner?

FCC is considering a law to allow US Internet providers to censor bandwidth price and slow down certain websites you visit.
Please stop this by writing a letter to your representative today! (If you're outside of US, share with a friend.)

I am a foreigner; if you're able to word this more concisely, please do.

--Gryllida (talk) 00:15, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello Gryllida, hope you're well. As the Help Desk is for resolving issues related to editing, I should recommend that you may consider the Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous) forum for posting your suggestion. Thanks. Lourdes 03:01, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, done. --Gryllida (talk) 05:15, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Before opening a new discussion at the village pump, please read this, which will help explain why it's unlikely we will have a banner as there appears to be no clear consensus of opinion regarding support or opposition.--S Philbrick(Talk) 19:37, 27 July 2017 (UTC)



The Logo was unveiled this afternoon why haven't you download it do it right now. 2600:8803:7A00:976A:1AF:C77F:2734:635C (talk) 02:25, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

That was the only job I gave to Drmies and he's fluffed it up. Dammit Drmies, why can't you work properly? Aren't we paying you well? Lourdes 02:43, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Jokes apart, welcome to Wikipedia. if the logo has been released as you mention, some or the other volunteer editor will get to uploading it in due course; there's no hurry in general. In the meanwhile, you could also go through WP:LOGO to understand how we upload logos. Warmly. Lourdes 02:46, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
    • I don't know how I got into this, but here you go. Drmies (talk) 12:23, 27 July 2017 (UTC)


This user seems to have committed a WP:CPMOVE. —suzukaze (tc) 02:54, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Can a passing admin sort this mess out please. - X201 (talk) 13:59, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Where do you believe it was copied from? Maproom (talk) 14:04, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
@Maproom: Philippine Hybrid Hokkien was copypasted from Draft:Philippine Hybrid Hokkien, which is only a minor fixable problem (same author, 1 edit). But the draft itself was apparently copied from Hokaglish and seems to duplicate most of its content without attribution (see also the recent revert in this article). The new copy should probably be speedy deleted or redirected, but I wasn't sure about the exact handling (WP:A10 gave me a minor headache and is as accessible as Linear A - but I digress). GermanJoe (talk) 22:09, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

The template to use for "Archived from the original"?[edit]

Hi all,
I'm currently working the article Kjell Ernst Viktor Ander. The article on the Swedish language Wikipedia uses this reference from the Svensk uppslagsbok archived from that source by Wayback Machine.
Just as that one-line micro-stub article took me an hour to research and write with the Nationalencyklopedin reference, I genuinely have searched for the right template to use for the archived reference. And still can't find it.
Your help most appreciated!
Per från Australien aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:44, 27 July 2017 (UTC) used {{webbref}} which, here, is a redirect to {{cite web}}. Renaming the parameters:
{{webbref|url= |title=Svensk uppslagsbok |archive-url= |archive-date= 2 April 2015 }}
"Svensk uppslagsbok". Archived from the original on 2 April 2015. 
Perhaps {{cite encyclopedia}} is better:
{{cite encyclopedia |title=Ander, Kjell Erns Viktor |encyclopedia=[[Nationalencyklopedin]] |url= |archive-url= |archive-date= 2 April 2015 }}
"Ander, Kjell Erns Viktor". Nationalencyklopedin. Archived from the original on 2 April 2015. 
Trappist the monk (talk) 10:41, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Company Page[edit]

Hi there!

I have a client who would like to list their company on Wikipedia.

Are there any rules which I, as the copywriter, will have to follow? Can the article include references to their site or to third-party sites which mention the company in question?

Thanks, Meridith — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meridith.farrugia (talkcontribs)

  • First, paid editing is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. Please carefully read through Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. Second, Wikipedia is not a means of promotion. Please read Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#ADVERTISING. Wikipedia is not a Dun & Bradstreet catalogue of companies. If a company is notable, then it is very likely we already have an article on that company. Of course, we might not; there are companies that are becoming notable all the time. Have a read through Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). If the company you are representing is truly notable per our standards, then sure we can have an article. However, you personally writing it is not a very good idea. Instead, I would put in a request to have an article written. You can do so by reading the instructions at Wikipedia:Requested articles, and ultimately you would list the request at Wikipedia:Requested articles/Business and economics/Companies. I would like to draw your attention to that page in particular to note that it says "All requests must contain RELIABLE, INDEPENDENT, THIRD PARTY SOURCES". This is exceedingly important. Press releases, the company website itself, their marketing, etc. are not reliable, independent sources. A good rough test; pump the company's name into If there are multiple news articles that do more than just mention the company in passing, it's probably notable enough for an article here.
  • I would like to commend you for coming here to ask this question. What we see the vast, vast majority of the time here is a company sends someone here who creates an article about the company and then tries to defend its existence, rather than seeking help before proceeding. Kudos to you for taking a better approach! --Hammersoft (talk) 13:58, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
    Meridith.farrugia, welcome to Wikipedia (WP). Please read very carefully the link to Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure above, it includes mandatory instructions for users in your case. The rest of the advice given above is good too, but that part is crucial.
To answer your question, if you decide to write the article yourself (in which case you should probably do it via the Article Wizard): you can include references to their site and to third-party sites, see here for how to do so. If you want the article to exist on the long term, you must include references to sources that (1) are reliable, (2) are independent of the subject, and (3) deal with the subject in detail, all three at once. See WP:GNG and WP:CORP for more information. TigraanClick here to contact me 16:00, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
One way to look at this, Meridith.farrugia, is that Wikipedia has little interest in what a company (or any other subject) says about itself, and no interest at all in how the company would like to be portrayed. Wikipedia is only interested in what people unconnected with the subject have published about it, favourable or unfavourable; and the content and organisation of any article is determined by a consensus of editors, according to the independent sources and Wikipedia's policies. --ColinFine (talk) 17:00, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Data-Computer or Phone[edit]

What's the difference. computer data is like how much memory a program takes up, right? phone data seems to be how much you can watch (highspeed) videos on your phone.

The data measurement is the same: megabytes or gigabytes, and both computer and phone have memory measured in these units. Internet speed is often measured in megabits per second (eight to ten times the megabytes per second rate) whether you are downloading the data over the copper wires of a landline, the fibre-optic filament of a fibre link, or the radio transmission of a phone mast. If you need more detail, ask at the computer reference desk which is designed for this sort of question. Dbfirs 16:18, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

chevrolet camaro[edit]

you are missing the late 70's body style, like bumble bee in transformers the article is was wrong — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Post 2 - Need to Provide Some Sources To Prove Notability As Suggested By An Admin From This Helpdesk[edit]


I had created a helpdesk post to help myself solve the problems with this article:

Now my concern is that it is scheduled for deletion in 2 days. I would like to provide the following information to keep the page alive and get it published:

Sorry for the delay. Some of the external links are old enough that exist only in paper form and are not online. However, there are parts to this biography that make statements about the books that are wrong.

Here are the statements that need to be corrected:

The corrections are in capital and bold:


I would like the corrections to those parts made to the article. As I was suggested not to edit it myself, since I'm someone hired to resolve this matter, can you do that?

Here are some links that might be good enough to reconsider the person's notability: for The Chin Kiss King, citing that it first appeared in English in 1997. And also:

For Birthday Parties in Heaven:  There is also this — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:01, 27 July 2017‎ (UTC)
Hi, first of all, I would suggest you read Your First Article and Help available for editors with conflicts of interest. I will add some of the sources you have provided to the article, thus meaning the article can't be deleted for being unsourced - however, another editor has raised other concerns (WP:SPAM, WP:AUTO, WP:SPA, fails WP:JOURN) that mean it could be deleted, so it won't be "safe" unless it is improved. In the future, it is better to raise these concerns at the article's talk page rather than the help desk - or if you need more urgent help, see the instructions at this page.  Seagull123  Φ  20:14, 27 July 2017 (UTC)


Thank you for your response, I will do that in future. Can you please guide me how to remove the 4 concerns that this editor has raised? Even though I have a conflict of interest and it is a biography that the person itself is involved in, it is yet authentic. The personality is notable as proved by the resources and there is no exaggeration or favorism in the writing. It is neutral and journalistic. I will appreciate your direction, thanks!

Southwest Miami High School[edit]

How do I add my name to Notable Alumni-Government:

Leni (Retskin) Sitnick- Class of 62-member Asheville, N.C. City Council 94-95; Mayor of Asheville, N.C. 97-2002107.128.242.1 (talk) 21:38, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Mayors of Asheville don't meet our threshold for notability; so: no article, no listing. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:46, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


Is there a template to tag a page to suggest that an image be added? Benjamin (talk) 22:16, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

@Benjaminikuta: {{image requested}}. Eagleash (talk) 22:24, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Is there a page for that template? How can I search / browse templates? Benjamin (talk) 23:23, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
See Template:image requested, Help:Template#Template search, Category:Wikipedia templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:31, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Creating a page for an existing actor.[edit]

I was editing the page of a show on Amazon Prime and while adding the cast used a redirect on them all and one actor was not cited, but in looking through wikipedia I see that there are other titles with affiliation to this person. I have never made a page for a particular person. How do I start and do I have to contact the person through imdb or another source and gain permission and/or make them aware? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Studdfudd (talkcontribs)

You don't have to get their permission. Creating an article is one of the harder things to do here on Wikipedia for someone completely new to editing. I suggest using the Article Creation Wizard to get you started. Before doing that, please make sure that they are notable enough for an article by checking WP:NACTOR. †dismas†|(talk) 23:54, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Pinging user: @Studdfudd:. †dismas†|(talk) 23:56, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
You mention IMDb. Note that this is not regarded as a reliable source. -- Hoary (talk) 23:59, 27 July 2017 (UTC)